tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post6460880138983141410..comments2024-03-25T03:52:40.426-07:00Comments on The Ongoing Campaign: Deindustrial Future Update And Sword & Sorcery Campaign Setting Ideafaoladhhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-45688399296185165522019-03-22T05:32:04.946-07:002019-03-22T05:32:04.946-07:00For your reference, I recently published a book: S...For your reference, I recently published a book: Sundaland – Tracing The Cradle of Civilizations.<br /><br />This book presents abundance of indications from archaeological data, genetic studies, legends, myths and tales that Sundaland is the cradle of human civilizations.<br /><br />The paperback is available at Amazon:<br />https://www.amazon.com/dp/6027244925<br /><br />The e-book is available here for free download:<br />self.gutenberg.org/ebk/100301805Dhani Irwantohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10063455688276057620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-17420473882167598382019-02-19T16:16:30.898-08:002019-02-19T16:16:30.898-08:00Thank you Tim for liking my article and your plan ...Thank you Tim for liking my article and your plan to use it in your campaign.Dhani Irwantohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10063455688276057620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-27069219973514800012018-11-02T18:27:26.119-07:002018-11-02T18:27:26.119-07:00Of course. Mix and match as each sees fit. It'...Of course. Mix and match as each sees fit. It's nice to have other people to share ideas with and be inspired by.TimWesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015324930290602390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-77016935482737560482018-11-02T17:39:32.116-07:002018-11-02T17:39:32.116-07:00I should add that it's probably perfectly OK f...I should add that it's probably perfectly OK for each of us to take occasional different steps with this. It's probably pretty likely that I'm going to tend somewhere toward a midpoint between what you called "Early Realistic" and "Classical Realistic", or depending on how you look at it "Low Magic and Fantasy". Not quite Conan, but definitely sword & sorcery—but a lot of the sorcery will be prestidigitation/illusion, except where it isn't. As I said somewhere, I intend to discuss that matter in a post of its own.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-6424298674831504622018-11-02T17:25:27.170-07:002018-11-02T17:25:27.170-07:00I like the idea of the Sunda peoples, or at least ...I like the idea of the Sunda peoples, or at least the "Atlantean" ones in the south, having explored all the way across the Pacific to South America. Recent finds might indicate that populating the New World happened from both the north and south. At least, there are settlements much further south than they should be according to the accepted model.<br /><br />I found my <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalania" rel="nofollow">giant monitor lizard</a>. It's mostly in southern Australia/Sahul, but that's no reason to not put a small population in the highland jungles of Sunda. Dragons!<br /><br />I realized later that the warships should probably be less like pentekonters and maybe more like Maori war canoes.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-51984136783395358392018-11-02T04:54:03.164-07:002018-11-02T04:54:03.164-07:00According to this site rice domestication occurred...According to this site rice domestication occurred 10 to 14,000 years ago. http://ricepedia.org/culture/history-of-rice-cultivation<br /><br />As you say, you could conceive of it as it starting in Sundaland and then spreading out across the world. I might think of large scale rice production (paddy fields etc.) until later in the era, which gives rise to the Classical period. Before then the main food sources are hunting, gathering, fishing and gardening. I think the latter could provide food production on a large enough scale to sustain early civilisations.<br /><br />Love the idea of extensive sea navigation. We know the ancestors of the Polynesians sailed as far as Madagascar.TimWesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015324930290602390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-90809346335044207442018-11-02T04:36:50.585-07:002018-11-02T04:36:50.585-07:00Thanks, I linked back as well.Thanks, I linked back as well.TimWesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015324930290602390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-74956848276478850632018-11-01T22:54:38.539-07:002018-11-01T22:54:38.539-07:00Added to both the blogroll over on the right and a...Added to both the blogroll over on the right and also to my RSS feed.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-75094180902379628452018-11-01T22:43:23.939-07:002018-11-01T22:43:23.939-07:00I generally agree with these. Some specific notes:...I generally agree with these. Some specific notes:<br /><br />1 - The map seems to show four distinct areas for river-valley civilizations. I am tending toward calling the civilizations Mekong (the northernmost), Tai (the westernmost), Malaya (the eastern, double-river valley), and Jaya (the southernmost, the one most associated with Atlantis by the sources). In addition, there are the islands that will one day be the Philippines and a large plain on the northern edge of Sahul (Australia, New Guinea, and Tasmania) that could be a kingdom of its own.<br /><br />2 - I am wavering on the question of rice. We could assume, along with bronze, a neolithic revolution in part, with organized rice planting in the four river valleys of Sundaland, but nowhere else in the world yet. After all, the neolithic revolution occurs elsewhere not all that long after the oceans drinks most of Sundaland.<br /><br />2nd 2 - Elephants would be awesome, but I'm not sure that it's worth adding more than dogs, plus pigs and chickens. I'll probably go back and forth on this one for a while. Definitely no horses or cattle, though. <br /><br />3 - Also sea navigation. I personally want to make the seafaring as sophisticated as that of Polynesia, etc, including the twin-canoe, proa-sailed vessels. Probably also some equivalent of a pentekonter as a coast-hugging warship, including banks of oars and bronze ram.<br /><br />5 - And no significant bridges. Crossing rivers at fords or by ferry barge only.<br /><br />6 - I am kinda fond of the idea of a giant Komodo Dragon, maybe 20-25 feet long and weighing a half-ton or more. Also, I mentioned the Flores "hobbits" above.<br /><br />7 - Without domestic animals, that would mean only handcarts, for the most part. I'm good with that.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-28237611906292908692018-11-01T15:20:28.695-07:002018-11-01T15:20:28.695-07:00I've decided to create a blog for the setting....I've decided to create a blog for the setting. I intend it to be a collaborative effort. The first post setting out my intentions is up: https://sundaland-rpg-setting.blogspot.com/2018/11/introduction-what-and-where-is-sundaland.htmlTimWesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015324930290602390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-49536576162704236502018-11-01T10:14:54.985-07:002018-11-01T10:14:54.985-07:00I'm also interested in Sundaland as a Bronze t...I'm also interested in Sundaland as a Bronze to Iron-Age setting. I wondered if anyone else had the same idea and that's how I found your blog. <br /><br />I discovered Sundaland through the alternative 'historian' Graham Hancock who wrote a book called Magicians of the Gods about the possibility of an ancient civilisation based there. There's also a book about the subject called Eden in the East which I haven't read yet.<br /><br />I think you're right that for an interesting setting you have to assume that there were at least some Bronze-Age level societies in the region and I think that fits with the lost civ concept. Any technologies that we <br /><br />Currently I'm thinking about some baseline 'realistic' details for the setting before adding fantastical elements (monsters, magic etc.) if any. I prefer low magic settings).<br /><br />Some initial thoughts:<br /><br />1. City states rather than centralised nations or empires<br />2. Food sources: sophisticated gardening of fruits, yams plus hunting and fishing. (No rice).<br />2. Before the domestications of most animals. Might be able to fudge dogs. Various kinds of elephants and elephant related animals, including pygmee elephants inhabited the area and they could be the standard beast of burden.<br />3. Science of Astronomy is advanced (think Mayan level and higher)<br />4. Stone temples, occasionally forts and palaces. Palisades and building are usually made of wood.<br />5. Few paved roads.<br />6. Realistic monsters could be the last remaining megafauna hiding in the deep forests and jungles.<br />7. Use of the wheel only in the lowland grasslands and plains.<br />8. Societies at different tech levels. Eg City states vs hill and jungle tribes.TimWesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015324930290602390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-38500855138623142702018-10-15T17:31:31.069-07:002018-10-15T17:31:31.069-07:00Very nice! No, I hadn't seen those, so thank y...Very nice! No, I hadn't seen those, so thank you for pointing me toward them. They're not exactly what I'm doing—I'm not getting rid of gunpowder, for instance—but they're close enough that they should have some useful information for me.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-26341302022836254472018-10-13T19:31:47.412-07:002018-10-13T19:31:47.412-07:00Have you seen these sites?
http://feudalamerica.b...Have you seen these sites?<br /><br />http://feudalamerica.blogspot.com/<br /><br />http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/medvam/index.htm<br /><br />As a huge fan of the Horseclans series of PA novels, I always found White's work to be excellent for PA-style medievalism in the old US. Lots of useful material here.James Mishlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510782553325944558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-56794819318386842112018-10-10T22:52:59.657-07:002018-10-10T22:52:59.657-07:00Glad you're enjoying it!
It's been in my ...Glad you're enjoying it!<br /><br />It's been in my pictures folder for a while, but I'm pretty sure that I got it from that Atlantis in the Java Sea blog link (it's figure 21 on that page): https://atlantisjavasea.com/2015/09/29/sundaland/faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116962779728480800.post-42362913874577568032018-10-10T11:37:56.724-07:002018-10-10T11:37:56.724-07:00Thanks for the heads up -really enjoying that book...Thanks for the heads up -really enjoying that book so far! <br /><br />...but where did you find that cool map of old geology and coastlines?!?endonauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03522081802809449081noreply@blogger.com